Anyone looked into using these for other cars?
They obviously have canbus comms to them, so would probably need to have some sort of box to talk.
I've got 1 from a wreck, if someone wants me to log some data directly.
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Re: VF Commodore Steering Rack
Yeah I've looked into this abit. Looks like it uses 2 separate canbus circuits. One on the main to get a engine and vehicle speed from and one on the chassis canbus for steering angle. No idea if it needs the steering angle to work in another car. I looked into using the controllers for the opel corsa d canbus electric power steering but I doubt the can ids would be the same but with gmlan been semi universal across the gm range it's a maybe.
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Re: VF Commodore Steering Rack
I'm keen to get this to work and happy to help if / where i can, and i have a daily driver VF SV6 i can use if logs are needed as well as a rack on the bench that if i can get it to work i want to fit to my Bedford Van.
The first bus i scanned i believe is the main bus ECU etc ... it basically sends these two over and over.
IN ts: 333541921 id: 148 l: 1 data: 00
IN ts: 333541937 id: 778 l: 7 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 333542921 id: 148 l: 1 data: 00
IN ts: 333542937 id: 778 l: 7 data: 00 31 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 333543921 id: 148 l: 1 data: 00
IN ts: 333543937 id: 778 l: 7 data: 00 31 00 00 00 00 00
The second bus i believe is the powertrain bus ? ... and this is what its sending out.
IN ts: 421358765 id: 335 l: 4 data: 70 07 00 00
IN ts: 421358781 id: 335 l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 421358796 id: 335 l: 4 data: D0 0D 00 00
IN ts: 421358812 id: 335 l: 4 data: A0 0A 00 00
IN ts: 421358843 id: 335 l: 4 data: 70 07 00 00
IN ts: 421358859 id: 335 l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 421358875 id: 335 l: 4 data: D0 0D 00 00
IN ts: 421358906 id: 335 l: 4 data: A0 0A 00 00
Now if i simulate an RPM signal (0C9) to it i get changes, i believe the 148 ID is a status output like 00 is all good 01 is a fault ... but this is just speculation.
OUT ts: 333672203 id: 0C9 l: 8 data: 00 0C 43 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 333672968 id: 148 l: 1 data: 01
IN ts: 333672968 id: 778 l: 7 data: 00 31 C1 26 00 93 00
OUT ts: 333673203 id: 0C9 l: 8 data: 00 0C 43 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 333673968 id: 148 l: 1 data: 01
IN ts: 333673968 id: 778 l: 7 data: 00 31 C1 26 00 93 00
Same result if i send a vehicle speed frame to it ... i tried this because i know my Holden Cruze electric power steering started working after it got to about 3-5km rolling with engine off!
sending the two above frames to the powertrain bus didnt have any effect to the can data coming out.
Schematic just for reference. I am hoping to soon scan the VF powertrain bus and see what that shows ....
my hope is if i can find all the frames to send then i can make an arduino type do-hicky to read rpm and road speed, then convert them to CAN and send them out along with whatever other stuff it needs to work.
i am also assuming that the steering wheel angle sensor is on the column but i havent got one of these to test yet....
it also seems that alot of the stuff in te GM LAN Bible doesnt seem overly relevant to VF's ? alot of the CAN ID's i've seen i cant find in it, makes sense though, previous models didnt have electric power steering.
The first bus i scanned i believe is the main bus ECU etc ... it basically sends these two over and over.
IN ts: 333541921 id: 148 l: 1 data: 00
IN ts: 333541937 id: 778 l: 7 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 333542921 id: 148 l: 1 data: 00
IN ts: 333542937 id: 778 l: 7 data: 00 31 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 333543921 id: 148 l: 1 data: 00
IN ts: 333543937 id: 778 l: 7 data: 00 31 00 00 00 00 00
The second bus i believe is the powertrain bus ? ... and this is what its sending out.
IN ts: 421358765 id: 335 l: 4 data: 70 07 00 00
IN ts: 421358781 id: 335 l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 421358796 id: 335 l: 4 data: D0 0D 00 00
IN ts: 421358812 id: 335 l: 4 data: A0 0A 00 00
IN ts: 421358843 id: 335 l: 4 data: 70 07 00 00
IN ts: 421358859 id: 335 l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 421358875 id: 335 l: 4 data: D0 0D 00 00
IN ts: 421358906 id: 335 l: 4 data: A0 0A 00 00
Now if i simulate an RPM signal (0C9) to it i get changes, i believe the 148 ID is a status output like 00 is all good 01 is a fault ... but this is just speculation.
OUT ts: 333672203 id: 0C9 l: 8 data: 00 0C 43 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 333672968 id: 148 l: 1 data: 01
IN ts: 333672968 id: 778 l: 7 data: 00 31 C1 26 00 93 00
OUT ts: 333673203 id: 0C9 l: 8 data: 00 0C 43 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 333673968 id: 148 l: 1 data: 01
IN ts: 333673968 id: 778 l: 7 data: 00 31 C1 26 00 93 00
Same result if i send a vehicle speed frame to it ... i tried this because i know my Holden Cruze electric power steering started working after it got to about 3-5km rolling with engine off!
sending the two above frames to the powertrain bus didnt have any effect to the can data coming out.
Schematic just for reference. I am hoping to soon scan the VF powertrain bus and see what that shows ....
my hope is if i can find all the frames to send then i can make an arduino type do-hicky to read rpm and road speed, then convert them to CAN and send them out along with whatever other stuff it needs to work.
i am also assuming that the steering wheel angle sensor is on the column but i havent got one of these to test yet....
it also seems that alot of the stuff in te GM LAN Bible doesnt seem overly relevant to VF's ? alot of the CAN ID's i've seen i cant find in it, makes sense though, previous models didnt have electric power steering.
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Re: VF Commodore Steering Rack
I reckon a lot would transfer over to the late colorado steering rack too.
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Re: VF Commodore Steering Rack
I just googled it and I'd say your spot on, the motor mech and connections look identical!
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Re: VF Commodore Steering Rack
I got the interface setup to talk to the two CAN Buses and this it what i found.
Primary CAN Bus
ts: 1833578 id: 1F3 l: 3 data: 40 40 00
ts: 1833578 id: 0AA l: 8 data: 2B 75 2D D6 06 52 27 00
ts: 1833593 id: 0BE l: 6 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833593 id: 0C9 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 2A 00 10 18 00
ts: 1833593 id: 191 l: 8 data: 06 75 06 75 06 64 00 00
ts: 1833593 id: 195 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 CA 4B 00 00
ts: 1833593 id: 1EF l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833593 id: 3C9 l: 8 data: 07 66 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833593 id: 0C7 l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833593 id: 0F9 l: 8 data: 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 FF
ts: 1833609 id: 0F1 l: 6 data: 00 00 00 40 00 00
ts: 1833609 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833609 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 40 11 5B 40
ts: 1833609 id: 1C8 l: 8 data: 03 F8 00 00 00 00 3C 08
ts: 1833609 id: 1E5 l: 8 data: 44 18 AC 10 00 00 01 54
ts: 1833609 id: 451 l: 6 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833609 id: 0AA l: 8 data: 2B 75 2D D6 00 52 2A 00
ts: 1833609 id: 0BE l: 6 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833609 id: 0C9 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 2D 00 10 18 00
ts: 1833609 id: 191 l: 8 data: 06 75 06 75 06 64 00 00
ts: 1833609 id: 1A1 l: 7 data: 00 10 01 00 64 44 00
ts: 1833609 id: 195 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 CA 4B 00 00
ts: 1833609 id: 1A3 l: 1 data: 00
ts: 1833625 id: 1EF l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833625 id: 1BA l: 8 data: 17 2C 72 C7 75 72 C8 39
ts: 1833625 id: 1C3 l: 8 data: 06 75 07 2C 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833625 id: 1C4 l: 8 data: 6D 62 C2 2D 06 00 03 FD
ts: 1833625 id: 1C5 l: 6 data: 2D D6 2D D6 31 56
ts: 1833625 id: 0F1 l: 6 data: 1C 00 00 40 00 00
ts: 1833625 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 10 00 00 00 10 00 00 00
ts: 1833625 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 10 00 00 00 50 11 5B 40
ts: 1833640 id: 0C7 l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833640 id: 0F9 l: 8 data: 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 FF
ts: 1833640 id: 17D l: 6 data: 22 24 42 FF 00 00
ts: 1833640 id: 182 l: 3 data: EE 53 01
ts: 1833640 id: 185 l: 2 data: 18 11
ts: 1833640 id: 1C8 l: 8 data: 43 F8 00 00 FF FF 3C 07
ts: 1833640 id: 2F9 l: 7 data: 4A 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833703 id: 189 l: 7 data: CF FF 0F FF 2F FE FF
ts: 1833703 id: 199 l: 8 data: CF FF 0E 70 F1 8D 00 FF
ts: 1833703 id: 0F1 l: 6 data: 28 02 03 40 00 00
ts: 1833703 id: 0C9 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 20 00 10 18 00
ts: 1833703 id: 0C7 l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833703 id: 1F3 l: 3 data: 80 80 00
ts: 1833703 id: 451 l: 6 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833703 id: 0F1 l: 6 data: 34 00 00 40 00 00
ts: 1833703 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 30 00 00 00 30 00 00 00
ts: 1833703 id: 0AA l: 8 data: 2B 75 2D D6 04 52 28 00
ts: 1833703 id: 1EF l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
Secondary CAN Bus
IN ts: 171108187 id: 0C0 l: 5 data: FF D0 D0 D0 D0
IN ts: 171108187 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 30 00 00 00 30 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108187 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 30 00 00 00 30 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108187 id: 1E5 l: 8 data: 44 FF 54 70 02 00 02 45
IN ts: 171108187 id: 337 l: 7 data: 31 00 FF 54 07 00 AB
IN ts: 171108187 id: 130 l: 8 data: 3F F9 10 00 00 1F F2 7D
IN ts: 171108203 id: 0C0 l: 5 data: 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108203 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108203 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108203 id: 1E5 l: 8 data: 44 FF 53 1F FB 00 02 EC
IN ts: 171108203 id: 130 l: 8 data: 5F F8 10 00 00 1F F2 9C
IN ts: 171108203 id: 0C0 l: 5 data: 55 F0 F0 F0 F0
IN ts: 171108203 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 10 00 00 00 10 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108218 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 10 00 00 00 10 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108218 id: 1E5 l: 8 data: 44 FF 53 30 00 00 02 02
IN ts: 171108218 id: 337 l: 7 data: 22 00 FF 54 0B 00 AA
IN ts: 171108218 id: 130 l: 8 data: 7F F8 10 00 00 1F F2 BC
IN ts: 171108218 id: 0C0 l: 5 data: AA E0 E0 E0 E0
IN ts: 171108218 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 20 00 00 00 20 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108218 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 20 00 00 00 20 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108234 id: 1E5 l: 8 data: 44 FF 53 50 00 00 02 22
IN ts: 171108234 id: 130 l: 8 data: 1F F8 10 00 00 1F F2 5C
IN ts: 171108234 id: 0C0 l: 5 data: FF D0 D0 D0 D0
IN ts: 171108234 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 30 00 00 00 30 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108234 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 30 00 00 00 30 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108234 id: 1F5 l: 3 data: 3C 00 08
IN ts: 171108234 id: 337 l: 7 data: 13 00 FF 54 0F 00 A9
IN ts: 171108234 id: 130 l: 8 data: 3F F8 10 00 00 1F F2 7C
IN ts: 171108234 id: 0C0 l: 5 data: 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108234 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108234 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108250 id: 1E5 l: 8 data: 44 FF 53 1F FD 00 02 EE
IN ts: 171108250 id: 130 l: 8 data: 5F F8 10 00 00 1F F2 9C
This is the bus that the steering wheel angle sensor is on.
Primary CAN Bus
ts: 1833578 id: 1F3 l: 3 data: 40 40 00
ts: 1833578 id: 0AA l: 8 data: 2B 75 2D D6 06 52 27 00
ts: 1833593 id: 0BE l: 6 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833593 id: 0C9 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 2A 00 10 18 00
ts: 1833593 id: 191 l: 8 data: 06 75 06 75 06 64 00 00
ts: 1833593 id: 195 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 CA 4B 00 00
ts: 1833593 id: 1EF l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833593 id: 3C9 l: 8 data: 07 66 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833593 id: 0C7 l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833593 id: 0F9 l: 8 data: 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 FF
ts: 1833609 id: 0F1 l: 6 data: 00 00 00 40 00 00
ts: 1833609 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833609 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 40 11 5B 40
ts: 1833609 id: 1C8 l: 8 data: 03 F8 00 00 00 00 3C 08
ts: 1833609 id: 1E5 l: 8 data: 44 18 AC 10 00 00 01 54
ts: 1833609 id: 451 l: 6 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833609 id: 0AA l: 8 data: 2B 75 2D D6 00 52 2A 00
ts: 1833609 id: 0BE l: 6 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833609 id: 0C9 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 2D 00 10 18 00
ts: 1833609 id: 191 l: 8 data: 06 75 06 75 06 64 00 00
ts: 1833609 id: 1A1 l: 7 data: 00 10 01 00 64 44 00
ts: 1833609 id: 195 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 CA 4B 00 00
ts: 1833609 id: 1A3 l: 1 data: 00
ts: 1833625 id: 1EF l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833625 id: 1BA l: 8 data: 17 2C 72 C7 75 72 C8 39
ts: 1833625 id: 1C3 l: 8 data: 06 75 07 2C 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833625 id: 1C4 l: 8 data: 6D 62 C2 2D 06 00 03 FD
ts: 1833625 id: 1C5 l: 6 data: 2D D6 2D D6 31 56
ts: 1833625 id: 0F1 l: 6 data: 1C 00 00 40 00 00
ts: 1833625 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 10 00 00 00 10 00 00 00
ts: 1833625 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 10 00 00 00 50 11 5B 40
ts: 1833640 id: 0C7 l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833640 id: 0F9 l: 8 data: 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 FF
ts: 1833640 id: 17D l: 6 data: 22 24 42 FF 00 00
ts: 1833640 id: 182 l: 3 data: EE 53 01
ts: 1833640 id: 185 l: 2 data: 18 11
ts: 1833640 id: 1C8 l: 8 data: 43 F8 00 00 FF FF 3C 07
ts: 1833640 id: 2F9 l: 7 data: 4A 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833703 id: 189 l: 7 data: CF FF 0F FF 2F FE FF
ts: 1833703 id: 199 l: 8 data: CF FF 0E 70 F1 8D 00 FF
ts: 1833703 id: 0F1 l: 6 data: 28 02 03 40 00 00
ts: 1833703 id: 0C9 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 20 00 10 18 00
ts: 1833703 id: 0C7 l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833703 id: 1F3 l: 3 data: 80 80 00
ts: 1833703 id: 451 l: 6 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00
ts: 1833703 id: 0F1 l: 6 data: 34 00 00 40 00 00
ts: 1833703 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 30 00 00 00 30 00 00 00
ts: 1833703 id: 0AA l: 8 data: 2B 75 2D D6 04 52 28 00
ts: 1833703 id: 1EF l: 4 data: 00 00 00 00
Secondary CAN Bus
IN ts: 171108187 id: 0C0 l: 5 data: FF D0 D0 D0 D0
IN ts: 171108187 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 30 00 00 00 30 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108187 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 30 00 00 00 30 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108187 id: 1E5 l: 8 data: 44 FF 54 70 02 00 02 45
IN ts: 171108187 id: 337 l: 7 data: 31 00 FF 54 07 00 AB
IN ts: 171108187 id: 130 l: 8 data: 3F F9 10 00 00 1F F2 7D
IN ts: 171108203 id: 0C0 l: 5 data: 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108203 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108203 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108203 id: 1E5 l: 8 data: 44 FF 53 1F FB 00 02 EC
IN ts: 171108203 id: 130 l: 8 data: 5F F8 10 00 00 1F F2 9C
IN ts: 171108203 id: 0C0 l: 5 data: 55 F0 F0 F0 F0
IN ts: 171108203 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 10 00 00 00 10 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108218 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 10 00 00 00 10 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108218 id: 1E5 l: 8 data: 44 FF 53 30 00 00 02 02
IN ts: 171108218 id: 337 l: 7 data: 22 00 FF 54 0B 00 AA
IN ts: 171108218 id: 130 l: 8 data: 7F F8 10 00 00 1F F2 BC
IN ts: 171108218 id: 0C0 l: 5 data: AA E0 E0 E0 E0
IN ts: 171108218 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 20 00 00 00 20 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108218 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 20 00 00 00 20 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108234 id: 1E5 l: 8 data: 44 FF 53 50 00 00 02 22
IN ts: 171108234 id: 130 l: 8 data: 1F F8 10 00 00 1F F2 5C
IN ts: 171108234 id: 0C0 l: 5 data: FF D0 D0 D0 D0
IN ts: 171108234 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 30 00 00 00 30 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108234 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 30 00 00 00 30 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108234 id: 1F5 l: 3 data: 3C 00 08
IN ts: 171108234 id: 337 l: 7 data: 13 00 FF 54 0F 00 A9
IN ts: 171108234 id: 130 l: 8 data: 3F F8 10 00 00 1F F2 7C
IN ts: 171108234 id: 0C0 l: 5 data: 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108234 id: 0C1 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108234 id: 0C5 l: 8 data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
IN ts: 171108250 id: 1E5 l: 8 data: 44 FF 53 1F FD 00 02 EE
IN ts: 171108250 id: 130 l: 8 data: 5F F8 10 00 00 1F F2 9C
This is the bus that the steering wheel angle sensor is on.
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Re: VF Commodore Steering Rack
can you take a short table with it at centre, then turn it half way left, take another sample, fully left, another sample, same for right? Should be enough to see what numbers are going up and down with the steering angle, and get you the value for centre, full left and full right.
Some kind of periodic counter on 0C1, 0C5 on the secondary bus, same pids on the primary but with more data. Some kind of connection between those I guess. Googling 0C1 I see a few hits from people attacking canbus, but not giving away what it is exactly. Also 0C1 0C5 in that order in the RX in tre-cool's post here. viewtopic.php?t=8534
Doesn't really help though, just my first observations.
Some kind of periodic counter on 0C1, 0C5 on the secondary bus, same pids on the primary but with more data. Some kind of connection between those I guess. Googling 0C1 I see a few hits from people attacking canbus, but not giving away what it is exactly. Also 0C1 0C5 in that order in the RX in tre-cool's post here. viewtopic.php?t=8534
Doesn't really help though, just my first observations.
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Re: VF Commodore Steering Rack
Might help a little:
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0C0 = Wheel rotational data
0C1 = Wheel rotational status
0C5 = Non Rotational Wheel rotational status
1E5 = Steering Wheel Angle Information
337 = Door Handle Status
130 = Theft Status
1F5 = Transmission General Info
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